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Thursday, September 24, 2026

the distiller of Pferdsfeld and his family

Reworking the biographies of the main line of the Weiß Chronicles, we now move on from the vicar of Eckweiler to his son. We had him tagged as the mayor of Pferdsfeld (next door to Eckweiler) but it turns out he was also a teacher and a distiller making brandy (Branntweinbrenner). We have a few village mayors across the family tree, but he's the first distiller I come across, so that will be his USP from now on.

We also found out that his wife may have had more vicars in her family tree than he had. All of which warrants a new (joint) biography (replacing the one in this blog entry, which was basically a transfer of an ancient page from my old website when it went offline):

 


 

Johann Gottlieb Weiß (1736-1800) and Anna Katharina Andrae (1742-1816)

Johann Gottlieb Weiß was born 9.11.1736 at Dörrebach as the second child of the vicar Johannes Weiß and his wife Katharina Elisabeth Ebener. He grew up in Eckweiler and went on to become the mayor of the village of Pferdsfeld (which, like Eckweiler, was evacuated and demolished in 1978-82 because of the military airfield).

The Weiß Chronicles only describe him as the mayor of the village, which was more of a part-time job considering how small it was. According to this GedBas entry, Johann Gottlieb was mayor from 1778 until 1782, and also a teacher and a distiller of brandy.

The job of village teacher was often a first employment for theology graduates fresh from university while they were hoping to get on the career ladder of the church or at least become a village vicar. Although we don't know for sure if and where he studied, given that his father was a vicar and both his brothers studied, this is the most likely career path. He just got stuck on the teacher stage - maybe he liked it or there was a shortage of church positions at the time, seeing that many of the existing clergymen were busy trying to get all their sons into the system.

An 18th century distillation apparatus at a museum in Bitburg, Eifel)
Source: Wikipedia Von Foto: B. Kaufmann - Template:Kreismuseum Bitburg-Prüm, CC BY-SA 4.0,

In 1765 he married Anna Katharina André (Andrae, Andreae) from Gebroth (a tiny village, just a few kilometres east of Eckweiler). The Weiß Chronicles contain no info whatsoever about her family, but it turned out to be quite amazing, with lots of clergymen and other interesting connections. Recent blog entries about the Andrae ancestry are now here and here. The family name has survived at Gebroth to this day. Note also that Gottlieb’s older sister Johannetha had also married someone from the same village (see here), so there may be some sort of pattern.

Following the example set by his parents, they had (at least) seven children, born between 1768 and 1786.

Note that all three sons of the family became teachers, so we have a phase transition from an ancestry of Pfarrhaus families to a population of teachers. Among them, my ancestor 6. Christian Gottlieb, who will get a separate entry as well.

He died 1.4.1800 in Pferdsfeld aged 64. His widow died 6.1.1816 in Schauren aged 73. So presumably she lived with her daughter Maria Katharina and her family, who emigrated to Brazil 13 years later (see number 7. below).

There is some info and pictures of Pferdsfeld in this family history page, from a family whose ancestors emigrated from Pferdsfeld to England in the 19th century, when the Hunsrück area was hit by a famine.

The next generation(s):

1. Johann Philipp Weiß *24.4.1768 a teacher at Weiler on the river Nahe, married Anna Margaretha Kaiser, from Merxheim (Nahe). According to the residents book of Weiler they have four sons born 1822 -1830 and a daughter born 1834. At the time of Johann Philipp's death, 15.6.1853, his wife and all five children are alive. Nothing further is known about them.

? The residents book of Pferdsfeld notes a son called Johannes born 14.7.1770 who doesn't show up in the WC. If correct, he may have died young.

2. Johannetha Weiß * 4.7.1772 married Leopold Wagner from Winterburg.

3. Magdalena Weiß * 28.2.1774 married Johann Fleischer from Pferdsfeld.

4. Philipp Weiß *4.5.1775 a teacher at Gödenroth, and later at Winningen (Mosel), married Katharina Petermann from Allenbach.

5. Regina Katharina Weiß * 10.9.1779 married Johann Fuchs from Eckweiler. Not sure if and how he's related to Johannes Fuchs from Allenbach (number 4 in this Fuchs family tree) who had lots of sons at Eckweiler. They are all called Johann something, but are a bit younger than Regina Katharina. The oldest one who is not otherwise married is Johann Peter (1788-1860).

6. Christian Gottlieb Weiß, born 1782, became a teacher at Hellenthal, Raversbeuren and Simmern u. Dhaun. He married Gertrud Keuert from Hellenthal and they had eight children. Biography to follow next week.

7. Maria Katharina Weiß, born in 1786, married a parson called Ried from Schauern (Hochwald) and went off to Rio de Janeiro, according to the Weiß Chronicles. In fact, they arrived in São Leopoldo on 25.5.1829 (here's their emigration story). The husband and sons are: Georg Philipp Rieth (1784-1843).

1. Philipp Christian Gottlieb, * 25.4.1811 in Schauren, oo 17.10.1838 in São Leopoldo Maria Elisabeth Schiehl, 11 children
2. Johann Friedrich * 20.12.1814 Schauren, Holzschnitzer, Sattler, Tischler + 27.2.1866 in São Leopoldo oo 30.11.1841 Mariana Caroline Rieth (1825-1898), 10 children
The family is in GedBas as well (ancestry is a bit sparse).

 


 

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Sunday, September 20, 2026

a 200th wedding anniversary

Tomorrow (21.9.2026) will be the 200th wedding anniversary of the founding couple of my Krefeld Clan:

Wilhelm Düselmann * 13. 8.1804 Krefeld + 17.12.1865 Krefeld

and

Elisabetha de la Strada * 17.12.1804 Krefeld + 15.12.1882 Krefeld.

I blogged a list of the descendants we knew back in 2009 in one of my first blog entries on family history, and this has led to to additional information (we now know of 13 children, with the girls brought up catholic and the boys protestant to reflect the different confessions of the parents, 32 grandchildren, and hundreds of fascinating people further down the line) as well as to real life meetups with several relatives I was previously unaware of, so this wedding held in Krefeld 200 years ago is a bit special. I was slightly tempted to try and organise a family event for the occasion, but that would have required actual people skills which I don't have so I'll just commemorate the day with another blog entry.

Sadly we don't have photos of bride nor groom, although both lived long enough to suggest they may have had a portrait taken in their old age. Incidentally, the oldest surviving photographs made by Nicéphore Niépce date from 1826 as well. A wedding photo or our couple would have looked interesting, because the first of the 13 children was born eight weeks and two days after the wedding, on 18.11.1826.

What we have is the actual marriage certificate:

Photo of a photocopy of what appears to be the original marriage entry in the archives of the town, with the signatures of the newlyweds and their witnesses, and surviving parents. First we have what must be the presiding official. Then, in larger handwriting, Margaretha Düselmann (nee Wilsberg, mother of the groom), Wilhelm Düselmann (groom), Hermann Düselmann (brother of the groom, born 1798), Elisabetha Delastrata (bride), then in the bottom line Heinrich Siecher (?) or something similar, who allegedly was a brother in law of the bride but I don't have a matching name on my records. And the last name I can't decipher at all. Even though the mother of the bride, Margaretha de la Strada (nee Giesen) was present as well so should have signed.

The fathers of both families had died a few years before the wedding. Note also that Elisabetha's older sister Maria Catharina de la Strada married Jacob Joseph Nolden at the same time.

I've blogged about Krefeld as one of my "lost cities" here (although it is not quite lost, some distant relatives still live there).

Further revelations relating to the Krefeld Clan are tagged #düsselmann.

Thursday, September 17, 2026

the vicar of Eckweiler and his family

After I discovered so many clergymen in the family network around Johannes Weiß (see the preliminary list at the bottom of this blog entry), I had another look at his biography and at what became of his children. Note that his wife is at the core of a matrilinear transmission of Pfarrhaus (vicarage) traditions, so she becomes a co-headliner.

So here comes a revised and updated version of the biography (replacing the one in this blog entry, which was basically a transfer of an ancient page from my old website when it went offline).

 


 

Johannes Weiß (1704-1772) and Katharina Elisabeth Ebner (1712-1790)

Johannes Weiß was born on 29.9.1704 at Königsberg (near Wetzlar, today Hessen) as the son of the merchant Johann Justus Weiss (ca.1675-1740) from Silesia and Maria Elisabeth Straus from Königsberg. His confirmation was at Seibersbach (Hunsrück) in 1717, which suggests there may have been family connections to that area where he later worked. He studied theology at Gießen and came as a parson-in-training (Pfarrkandidat) to Dörrebach near Seibersbach. There he was appointed a vicar in 1729. The job also included the parish of Seibersbach, and I understand that the vicar had to live in the Pfarrhaus at Seibersbach as the one in Dörrebach had been usurped by the Catholics since 1703.

In 1732, while serving at Dörrebach/Seibersbach , Johannes married Katharina Elisabeth Ebener or Ebner, born at Trarbach in 1712, the daughter of the vicar of Alterkülz (Hunsrück), Philipp Ebener (~1681-1734). Previously (from 1708 to 1720), Philipp had been a teacher at the Lateinschule in Trarbach, like his father before him, see my biographies of Ebner father and son here. A potted history of Trarbach and the Lateinschule is here. So Katharina Elisabeth Ebenerlived at Trarbach for the first eight years of her life. With three university-educated men in her immediate ancestry, and many more in the extended family (including the illustrious Arnoldi clan), she had a Pfarrhaus background while her husband was a newcomer in this scene. Considering this imbalance, I would suspect that her family picked him on the grounds that he was an eligible Sponheim vicar who wasn't a blood relative.

Johannes and Elisabeth had seven children that we know of, with the first five born at Dörrebach/Seibersbach between 1734 and 1739. See the list of their descendants below.

The church of Eckweiler, the only building left standing of the historic village. In 1979, the village was officially dissolved. Following the introduction of Phantom fighter jets on the nearby airfield of the Bundeswehr, the noise had become unbearable. The last 250 villagers were relocated to a brand new suburb of the nearby town of Sobernheim, and all buildings except for the church -- not the original building, but the same location where Johannes had held his service some 250 years earlier -- were demolished. Too hastily, as it turned out, as the end of the cold war also saw the Bundeswehr selling off the airfield to a car manufacturer who planned to use it as a test course, but never did. So Eckweiler, known locally as “the church without a village” is very nice and quiet nowadays.
Source: Wikipedia / Von Devlaminck - Eigenes Werk, CC BY-SA 4.0,

In May 1740 (according to the Eckweiler book, the Weiß Chronicles claim it was 1742), he moved to become the vicar of Eckweiler (some 20 km deeper into the Hunsrück), where he remained in office until his death in 1772. In fact, one of his great-grandsons wrote the Weiß Chronicles in that very same village nearly 120 years later.

The last two children we know of were born at Eckweiler in 1742 and 1751. Seeing that their mother only turned 30 in 1742, there may have been children in that interval who didn't survive?

According to the Eckweiler book, Johannes Weiß was a very assertive type of person, who would always make sure that everybody got their due. In first years of his 32-year tenure, he had the church renovated inside and out. His lasting legacy, however, was to be the village school, built in 1770. Documents relating to the funding for the school house reveal that Eckweiler at the time was the poorest parish in the district.

According to the same book, Eckweiler had 157 inhabitants in 1769, all of whom were protestants. Johannes’s parsonage also extended to the neighbouring village of Daubach, with 80 inhabitants including 36 protestants.

Johannes Weiß died on 4.1.1772 aged 67. In 1773, his son in law, Philipp Bauer, was installed as his successor.

His widow continued to live at Eckweiler with her daughter and son in law. She died there on 1.8.1790 aged 78 (or just under).

In 1818, Philipp Bauer was the first vicar of Eckweiler to retire from the position, as he was deemed unfit to carry on at age 85. He died later the same year. Note, however, that according to this Gedbas entry he only lived to age 83 (however, that entry doesn't know about his marriage, so it may not be a reliable source). All vicars of the parish are listed here.

The next generation(s):

1. Christian Weiß * 1734 died 1754 while a student at university.

2. Johannetha Weiß * 1735 married a forester named Federkeil, at Gebroth (Hunsrück). Familysearch offers a plausible match in Johann Andreas Federkeuel who married Johannetta NN, with a son Johann Christian Federkeuel born in Gebroth in 1761.

3. Johann Gottlieb Weiß * 1736 the future mayor of Pferdsfeld. He married Anna Katharina Andrae from Gebroth, who turned out to have lots of clergymen in her ancestry (as well as a brother who studied theology). Funny that the author of our Weiß Chronicles (WC) showed no curiosity in her ancestry and doesn't even mention her parents. She was his grandmother! According to this Gedbas entry, Johann Gottlieb was also a teacher and a distiller of brandy. A separate blog entry about him and his family is now here.

4. Regina Catharina Weiß * 1738 married a Mr Weimar from Dörrebach. There are a few Weimar / Weymar families in that village listed in Gedbas to the extent that in there was a wedding when bride and groom bore that name in different spellings. One suitable candidate who isn't otherwise married would be Valentin Weimar the elder, who had a daughter Johannetta born 1766 Dörrebach, who then went on to marry Valentin Weimar junior and had at least nine children with him.

5. Maria Anna Dorothea (WC: Marianne) Weiß * 1739 married Johann Georg (WC: Philipp) Orth from Weiler near Martinstein, on the river Nahe. He is number IX-59 in the Orth genealogy, to which we also have connections here. They have six children and 17 grandchildren according to the Orth page. Four of the children died before reaching school age, only two sons survived and got married:
Philipp Georg, * Weiler 31.1.1760, + …, ∞ Weiler 24.2.1784 Catharina Elisabeth Keip (Geib) from Staudernheim, 7 children; only one marriage and no grandchildren reported.
Andreas, * Weiler 16.1.1763, + Weiler. 14.10.1839, church elder. ∞ Weiler … 1787 Maria Elisabeth Waldmann, * Weiler 8.4.1770, + ebd. 20.12.1842, 10 children, only three marriages (two daughters to the same man) and four grandchildren reported.
Although these families don't seem to be doing very well, I have been contacted (separately) by two people counting Maria Anna Dorothea Weiß as their ancestor, so some people did make it through the hard times.

6. Maria Elisabetha Weiß * 1742 married Philipp Jakob Bauer, a vicar at Enkirch, who later took over the position of his father-in-law at Eckweiler. Two children were born 1773 and 1781 but died in infancy. Maria died in 1819.

7. Philipp Theodor Weiß * 1751 became a private tutor for the counts of Solms, he drowned while hunting wild ducks in the back waters of the river Rhine, according to the WC. The church records of Pfalzdorf, the colony of thwarted emigrants where his aunt Anna Maria Ebner and her husband Carl Morlang (1720-1799) had settled, note that he served with the family Bilgen at Schmithausen castle (Kleve district) when he drowned on 2.1.1777. No mention of ducks there. Ironically, his employer, Geheimrat Casimir Bilgen, was appointed by Frederic the Great as the administrator in charge of the water regulation and dyke construction on the Lower Rhine.

Thus, it appears that all three sons may have studied to follow in their father's footsteps, but two died young and the surviving one only became a teacher and mayor. Of the four daughters, one married a vicar, one married a descendant of the Orth family which includes lots of clergymen in earlier times, and the other two appear to have stepped out of the circle of clergymen marrying each other's daughters, although we're not sure what Mr Weimar's profession was.

Thus we can clearly see the ambition to carry on the Lutheran Pfarrhaus tradition, which was quite possibly her idea rather than his, but the family suffered a series of misfortunes which led to the tradition dying out in this branch.

 


 

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Thursday, September 10, 2026

the people of the echoing valley

In a letter about the discovery of the Weiß Chronicles, Johanna wrote that the teacher Christian Gottlieb Weiß (1782-1867) had his first teaching job in "Höllenthal" - which would suggest the etymological interpretation as "Hell's Valley". I had always assumed that this was the historic name of the village now known as Hellenthal (Eifel), but Wikipedia seems to think it's got nothing to do with hell, and that it's all about the Hall you hear in the valley, ie the echo (Old High German hellan, to sound, resonate). As there was a lot of mining and metalworking in the area, the valley may have been echoing with the clanging of hammers and anvils.

Anyhow, Christian Gottlieb, who is also the earliest born ancestor of whom we have a photo, found himself a wife at Hellenthal. In 1806, he married Anna Gertraud Käuer, (1777-1858; alternative spelling: Keuert), whose ancestry is solidly from that village. Coming out of the Weiß family that is crawling with clergymen (up to 13 among his direct ancestors, many more in the extended family), he is the first in our lineage to leave that tradition behind and marry somebody with no church family background whatsoever. Also, he married outside the (former) Sponheim territory, where the whole clergy marriage network operated. And she was four years older than him.

Back in the noughties, my father hired a professional genealogist to look into the Hellenthal ancestry. He drew up a report on Anna Gertraud's family and found 14 of her 16 great-grandparents. No academics in sight but a few metalworkers. And a very tightly knit community where the family names like Vader(s), Pieroth and Bastert occur in duplicate in the generation of the great-grandparents. I was reminded of that fact when I updated my list of family names recently, so am now looking into the Hellenthal family tree again in the hope of discovering common ancestry for those pairs of great-grandparents sharing a surname.

My scan of a tourism brochure from the 1990s.

So here comes a little family tree for Anna Gertraud:

1. Anna Gertrude Keuert (Kauer) * 8. 3.1778 Hellenthal; ~ Gemünd + 7. 4.1858 Simmern u. Dhaun (80)

 


 

2. Keuert Tilmanus * 24. 8.1749 Hellenthal + 8.12.1819 Hellenthal (70) smith, agricultural worker

} oo 29. 5.1777 Gemünd

3. Regina Catherina (Maria Catherina) Freischmid * 14. 5.1747 Hellenthal + 28. 3.1813 Hellenthal (65)

 


 

4. Johann Peter Keuert * um 1725 Hellenthal + after 1759

} oo 11. 2.1748 Gemünd

5. Anna Catharina Dresen (Drees) * 4. 3.1715 Hellenthal (if no. 10. correct) + after 1759

 

6. Paulus Freischmid * 23.12.1696 Hellenthal + 1. 5.1752 Hellenthal (55)

} oo 21. 5.1724

7. Maria Piroth (Pyroth) * 25. 4.1705 Hellenthal + Hellenthal (73) [] 3.10.1778

 


 

8. Mattheis Keuer * 27. 8.1690 Hellenthal + after 1737 Hellenthal

} oo 29. 5.1719 Gemünd

9. Elisabeth Bruch (Bruich) * 26.12.1698 Kirschseiffen + after 1737 Hellenthal

 

10. Jacob Drees * 9. 2.1681 Hellenthal +

} oo 1. 5.1708 Gemünd

11. Gertrud Lüperts * um 1685 Hellenthal + before 1748

 

12. Paul Freyschmidt * around 1675 Hellenthal + 1724 Hellenthal

} oo

13. Elisabeth Pyroth * 1676 + 1705-1724

 

14. Johann Pyroth * 9. 1670 Hellenthal + after 1715

} I.oo around 1704

II.oo around 1707 Maria Hellenthal in Hellenthal

15. Elisabeth Thus (Theissen) * 10.12.1677 Hellenthal + 1705-08

 


 

16. Tilmann Keuer * around 1660 + after 1696

} oo before 1682

17. Gertrud Vader * around 1660 + after 1696

 

18. Peter Bruch * around 1660 Heimbach ? + after 1702

} oo 1683-87

19. Ida Bastert * 8. 3.1662 Kirschseiffen + after 1702

 

20. Johann Drees * around 1650 Bronsfeld +

I.oo before 1672 Catharina Huperts

}II.oo 1680

21. Margaretha Kuhl

 

22. Arnold Lüperts * around 1650 Bronsfeld + 1688-1708

} oo before 1672

23. Maria Huperts * around 1650 Hellenthal + after 1688

 

24. (Freischmidt)

} oo

25.

 

26. Firmondt Pieroth

} oo

27. Cathrin Basters

 

28. Paul Pyroth (junior) * before 1650 Hellenthal ? + after 1678

} oo before 1668

29. Johanna Balters * + after 1678

 

30. Heinrich Thus * + after 1686

} oo around 1675

31. Maria Vader * before 1660 + after 1709

 


 

38. Johann Pastart (ert) *

} oo vor 1660

39. Elsgen Bungart

 

40. Thonnes Dreßen * Bronsfeld near Schleiden (recorded as a godfather in 1671)

56. ?Paul Pyroth (seeing that 28. was referred to as Paul Pyroth Junior?)

Note that there is a family tree on familysearch which is much less complete and deviates in the paternal grandparents and their parents. They also have a wrong year of birth and death for 2. Tilmanus - according to them he would have been 9 years old at the birth of his daughter. My guess is they picked another person also called Tilmanus Keuer and thus ended up with a different set of ancestors on the paternal side. So I guess we can safely ignore that dataset.

 


 

A few leads for further investigations:

Bastert (yes, the name means exactly what you think): There is a Pastert ironworks tradition in this area, see for instance Peter Pastert (1641-1728) in Schleiden (northern neighbour of Hellenthal). Also, a Bastardt family near Schleiden has been involved in a long running inheritance dispute in 1618-1628.

Pyroth / Pierot: The spelling varies wildly, but our genealogist and others have speculated that these people go back to a francophone lineage of Pierrot (derived from Pierre, the French version of Peter). As Hellenthal is a mining and metalworking town, this name could be from migrating miners coming in from Wallonia. We have some of these elsewhere too, eg in Fachbach.

Vaders: The genealogist said there were several Vader families in the previous generation and he couldn't establish a specific connection to any of them. There are seven GedBas entries for a (Peter) Reinhard Vaders born Hellenthal around 1635 who in 1674 married Anna Magdalena Lang from Neunkirchen (Saar) and moved there, producing lots of Vaders descendants. Seeing that he was around 40 at the time of this marriage, he could very well have had a previous family at Hellenthal, from which 17. Gertrud or 31. Maria Vader could be his children. Or his nieces. His parents were Franz Vaders and Evgen NN. All the Gedbas profiles seem to come from Saarland descendents not too interested in Hellenthal, so this trace goes cold very quickly.

 


 

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Thursday, August 27, 2026

a village called Weiler

The German word "Weiler" means small village (or hamlet) and is often included in the names of villages such as Adamsweiler, Annweiler, Belgweiler, Birkweiler, Eckweiler, Nickweiler, Ohlweiler, Rießweiler, Sensweiler, etc. - all these place names actually occur in my family tree.

There are also quite a few villages just called Weiler. One of those is on the river Nahe, downstream from Kirn, between Martinstein and Monzingen, and on the opposite bank to Merxheim. It used to be one of the places that I knew nothing about even though they pop up several times in my family history. A helpful reader of my blog who has an ancestor from Weiler pointed out to me that it is missing in my list of places. Here I am compiling all references to Weiler, so I have something to link to when I add it to the list.

So far, I have no known direct ancestors with biographical dates located at Weiler, but I have found three instances concerning siblings of my direct ancestors, one more remote link, and one relating to the Fuchs family tree which I researched for somebody else.

The historic Sponheim vineyard at Weiler.
Source: Wikimedia, photo by giggel.

In 1749, Anna Maria Ebner, daughter of the vicar of Alterkülz Philipp Nikolaus Ebner, married Carl Morlang from Weiler and had four children with him. The family settled at Pfalzdorf in the Lower Rhine area, together with a whole group of would-be migrants who had wanted to go to America via Rotterdam but only got that far as the Netherlands refused to let them pass. Carl Morlang's father came from Dhronecken (Hunsrück), but his mother, Anna Sophie Cullmann was a Weiler native.

In 1758, Marianne (Maria Anna Dorothea) Weiß, daughter of the vicar of Eckweiler, married Johann Georg Orth from Weiler near Martinstein, on the river Nahe. He is number IX-59 in the Orth genealogy. This means that he is a 3xgreat-grandson of Baltahasar Orth, the second protestant vicar of Kirn, and the nameline goes via Jakob junior, born at Kirn, then Hans born at Merxheim, and another three generations born at Weiler. There are dozens of Orth people listed in the residents book. Note that Marianne Weiss and Johann Georg Orth, although both related to me, were not related to each other as far as we know. (Their lineages in my family tree only meet in the next generation, when the mayor of Pferdsfeld Johann Gottlieb Weiss marries Anna Katharina Andrae from Gebroth, who has Orth ancestry.) They have six children and 17 grandchildren according to the Orth page. Note also that our Weiss Chronicles state that Marianne's husband was called Philipp Orth, but I tend to trust the modern research over our cherished old document in this case. Johann Georg in the Orth genealogy did have a younger brother called Philipp, so it isn't completely ruled out that she could have married one after the other.

One generation further down in the Weiß chronicles we have Johann Philipp Weiß,the firstborn son of the mayor of Pferdsfeld Johann Gottlieb Weiß and Anna Katharina Andrae from Gebroth. He became a teacher at Weiler and married Anna Margaretha Kaiser from Merxheim (on the opposite side of the river Nahe). I still need to find out whether she was related to our Caesar / Kaiser ancestors.

These three siblings of ancestors moving to Weiler are all linked to the lineage described in the Weiß Chronicles. More surprisingly, they are all closely connected to one person, Katharina Elisabeth Ebner (1712-1750), who married the vicar Johannes Weiß, in a kind of matrilinear way (Katharina Elisabeth is also at the centre of my matriline of Lutheran vicar's families!). They are, respectively, Katharina Elisabeth's sister, daughter, and grandson. When this penny dropped late at night, I had visions of Katharina Elisabeth conspiring with her sister to arrange the marriages of her daughter and her grandson, but sadly she didn't live long enough to do this. And Anna Maria migrated to the Lower Rhine anyways, so the accumulation of Weiler links may in fact be a coincidence. Also, it's not that far from Eckweiler and Pferdsfeld to Weiler and Merxheim, maybe around 10 km for the shortest link (Pferdsfeld to Weiler) and no more than 15 km for the longest (Eckweiler to Merxheim).

Separately, one of the vicars of Eckweiler (1674-1690), an ancestor in the Fuchs family tree, Johann Justus Leyendecker. Born ca. 1642 in Trarbach, he was the vicar of Eckweiler 1674-1690, was then moved to the parish of Weiler, where he died 28.11.1699, aged 57. (The regionally common name Leyendecker describes a roofer specialising in slate roofs.)

 


 

There is a book of residents of Weiler (1667-1900) available online here. I'm struggling to get much info out of it because by the time I've located the page I want the site starts blocking me for making too many requests. It also contains a short history of the village, which appears to have been the source for the slightly shorter history here.

The village which today has around 450 residents is a prime location for wine growers in the Nahe region, which explains that all three feudal authorities that ruled the Sponheim territories over the years have set up a vineyard here. There is the Badische Weingut, the Sponheimer, and the Schmidtburger one. The brief history of the village here (and in the residents book) notes that the wine growing tradition may go back to Roman times as some Roman artifacts were found in the ground. This lovely video from the regional TV channel SWR presents the current family businesses residing in the three feudal vineyards.

Note also that it is close to the upper end of the Nahe wine region, travel further up to Kirn you'll find hops and the brewery.

 


 

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Thursday, July 16, 2026

an excuse for being nosy

I recently heard a very interesting presentation from Anne Sebba about her book The women's orchestra of Auschwitz hosted by the Oxford Centre for Life Writing. I feel reasonably well-informed about the topic, after reading Anita Lasker-Wallfisch's memoir as well as her daughter's, and the book Cello by Kate Kennedy (who hosted the event at Wolfson College), so I didn't rush to buy the book, although I will pick it up if it crosses my path again. As I understand from the presentation it interweaves biographies of several of the women who were involved with the orchestra. (A video recording of the event is now online.)

One new insight I took away from the event arises from the author's insistence that she felt her father's involvement as a young soldier in the liberation of Bergen-Belsen, where the surviving members of the Auschwitz orchestra had ended up, gave her permission to write about their lives. Even though she never found positive confirmation whether her father had specifically met any of the women in the orchestra, she felt that in such a highly sensitive and much debated field as the Holocaust, writing about the lives of the victims and survivors would be an intrusion, and that her very marginal family connection gave her an excuse for being nosy.

Hearing her making this argument both in the presentation and in the discussion afterwards made me feel that I use family history in a similar way, as an excuse for being nosy about ordinary people of the distant past, most of whom weren't important enough to justify specific historical interest. When I am writing biographies of clergymen in the 9th to 16th generation of our family tree, as I have done in the first half of this year, there is the obvious risk that some of the connections may be erroneous. However, the assumed, and sometimes quite speculative family connection gives me an excuse to take interest in their lives and write about them, which is great fun and always enlightening.

Also, even if some of them may be the wrong person for a specific position in the family tree, they are quite likely to share similarities with the genetically correct ancestor, so the lessons I learn about the lives of my ancestors still broadly hold, even if the details may in some cases be misattributed. And as I get to know these people, they become family, even if I cannot prove with certainty that they are genetically related.

Some of the more general themes emerging from this research include:

  • migration (mainly in the 17th century), listed here
  • family networks of protestant clergymen since the Reformation, tagged Eckweiler
  • musical traditions, as explored in my cello memoir
  • sense of place, as highlighted in the lost cities series.
  • origins of namelines, see the list at the end of this entry

Thursday, June 04, 2026

a vicar in the Odenwald

After compiling CVs of a dozen protestant priests in the ancestry of Helene Kauer (see the list at the bottom of last week's entry), I now feel I should have another look elsewhere in the family tree. So far I only know of one (and he's also a fairly recent addition, from November 2021), namely Adam Getrost who was the vicar of Rimbach in the Odenwald. Here is what we know about him so far:

 


 

Adam Getrost

He was born 18.12.1627 in Creuzburg, Thuringia. The place is in the Wartburgkreis (district) so presumably close to the historically extremely important Wartburg castle, where Martin Luther took refuge and translated the New Testament into German a century earlier.

His parents were Adam Getrost (born 1600 at Creuzburg) and Elisabetha Herwig (born 1601 at Creuzburg), who had married in 1623. Beyond that, there are different versions of Adam's ancestry online. In one, his paternal grandmother is Anna Guthen, in another we find Margerita Assmus in that spot. The Guthen ancestry has a generation more and also more details of ancestors, while the Assmus version has a very comprehensive list of descendants and is also represented in geneanet.

The name Getrost is an interesting and rare one, related to the verb trösten (to comfort), so pointing to a supportive and comforting person. The name distribution today is centered on the Odenwald with nothing in Thuringia, so this seems to suggest that Adam had good reasons to flee from there, and horrible things may have happened to his name line relatives there. In line with that:

On 4.8.1637 his father died at Creuzburg aged only 37, when his youngest son was only seven months old, as the church records note, without revealing the name of that child (Guthen version).

His mother died 17.9.1654 also at Creuzburg, recorded under the name Getrost, so obviously she hadn't married again.

On 28.11.1654, just two months after his mother died, he married Maria Elisabetha Rodenhausen from Eschau in her home town. Eschau is near Aschaffenburg and today part of Bavaria, but back then it had nothing to do with Bavaria. It was ruled by the counts of Erbach, who also ruled the Odenwald region where the newly wedded couple settled down.

Their daughter, Susanna Getrost, was born 12.2.1656 at Zotzenbach, Odenwald.

Further children listed on GedBas (the Assmus version):
12.04.1664 Abraham
15.09.1667 Eva
about 1669 Philipp
about 1670 Heinrich
05.12.1671 Maria Salome
about 28.09.1674 Michael

until 1662 he was Präzeptor (elementary school teacher) at Michelstadt, Odenwald.

Michelstadt (Odenwald)
Source: Von User: Bgabel auf wikivoyage shared, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=23023847

In 1665, he became the vicar of Rimbach, Odenwald, and initially also served as a schoolteacher there.

His daughter Susanna married Sebastian Schütz in around 1678. Both my Odenwald great-grandparents (who ran the bakery at Lorsch and were first cousins) descend from this couple.

In 1686, a the first school house was built and Nikolaus Ludwig Hof became the first teacher. As the population recovered after the Thirty-Years War, the numbers there must have then been enough people and young families to require the separate offices of vicar and teacher.

He died 24.9.1704 in Rimbach aged 76, so may well have stayed as vicar until his death.

His son Johann Michael Getrost, served as a teacher at nearby Zotzenbach 1710-1722 (elsewhere in the source it says that the school in Zotzenbach only started operating in 1729, so he may have taught at Rimbach). Gedbas suggests that he was a shoemaker as well as a teacher. After him, three generations of Getrost descendants were teachers at Zotzenbach from 1729 through to 1826, but also agricultural workers during the summer season. As reported by local historian Jakob Getrost in 1960.

Sources:

  • Agathe Schmid-König Schulgeschichte(n), 18. März 2025
  • GedBas entry Adam Getrost with the Assmus grandmother
  • the Anna Guthen version

    Update 10.6.2026 I just discovered that the Guthen version, a dataset by Wilfried Doll, includes my family through to the generation of my parents, and also includes the link back to Leonhard Treusch, an ancestor I share with Grace Kelly. And probably with everybody who has ancestry in the Odenwald. This wasn't immediately obvious as the ancestry and descendant charts on GedBas only display a limited number of generations at a time, but I just stumbled on it when I checked up on the Treusch link which has been a cherished hypothesis for many years. Funnily enough, Grace Kelly also has a dozen clergymen in her family tree. The search for "Pfarrer" yields 20 hits on the page but sometimes the word appears twice under the same person.

     


     

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  • Thursday, May 28, 2026

    the Metzlers of Trarbach

    I am reaching the point where practically everybody in the ancestry of our teacher Johann Gottlieb Weiß is a clergyman or a close relative of one - see the list of entries at the bottom. Multiple lineages are leading back to the beginnings of the Reformation being introduced (in the Upper County of Sponheim that happened in 1557). Just a couple of the people born substantially later still haven't got their Lutheran credentials confirmed. The most recent of these orphans is Maria Magdalena Metzler in Gebroth. (Metzler is a name referring to the profession of the butcher, related to the current word Metzger and terms like Gemetzel.)

    Unfortunately, the church records of Gebroth covering the time of her birth are lost, so we don't know anything about her parents. The names we have are guesswork of a professional genealogist who looked at the network of godparents mentioned in other parishes. However there is a vicar of Alterkülz called Johann Peter Metzler who could be her grandfather, just judging by his age. So let's have a potted biography:

    A sign of the butchers' guild, from an old chest, displayed at the "Schlaghaus" museum in Büdingen.
    Source: Sven Teschke - Eigenes Werk, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=1356868

     


     

    Johann Peter Metzler

    He was born in Trarbach (He could plausibly be identical with this Johannes Petrus Metzler born in Trarbach 31.1.1641 whose entries comes with several generations of ancestors but no further info about JP himself or any descendants.)

    He was a student at Gießen in 1663.

    He served as a Kaplan in Winningen 1670-1701 (Monatsberichte 1909 page 240, 263).

    On 21.5.1678, his son Georg David Metzler was baptised in Winningen (familysearch, no further details).

    On 18.10. 1695 he married Anna Lucia (elsewhere the more likely reading: Luisa) Siegbert in Winningen according to familysearch, no children listed there.

    From 1702 until his death vicar of Alterkülz

    Died before 12.11.1709, when his son Georg Ludwig Metzler, merchant in Ems, married Maria Charlotta Josepha Dörbeck at Ems (the spa town on the river Lahn now known as Bad Ems).

     


     

    Going further back, it is intriguing to see that the vicar of Alterkülz Johann Peter Metzler was born in Trarbach, as the Metzler family there is often mentioned in Schütz' book Trarbach in Alter Zeit. Specifically:

    When Trarbach became Lutheran in 1557, the only known example of a citizen who opted to leave rather than change his faith was Caspar Metzler, who moved to Koblenz. Schütz notes at this point that the rest of the Metzler family stayed and their name line descendants became rather prominent members of the town community over the next few centuries.

    In 1580-1583, Johann Metzler was the mayor of the town.

    As the divide between protestant confessions deepened, Hans Peter Metzler was mentioned in 1614 as a citizen suspected of Calvinist tendencies.

    In August 1635, the Gerichtsschreiber (court secretary) Hans Stephan Metzler died of the plague. The same year, Johann Daniel Metzler served as Mompar, an honorary role in the administration that changes annually.

    Philipp Daniel Metzler serves as Kellner 1649 until around 1660. He could be this Gedbas entry (with children and no parents) see also here (just one child and less info).

    Alternatively, it could be this Philip Daniel Metzler from familysearch (1610-1688) who married Catharina Hautt and had a brother called Johann Peter Metzler born 1612. Their son Johannes Petrus Metzler born Trarbach 1641 would be the right age to be our priest above, but no further info is given about him. The name line of these Metzlers in family search goes back to a Dietrich Metzler born 1420. Irritatingly, the website always gives Traben-Trarbach as the birth location, but based on their frequent appearances in Schuetz's book I'm guessing they were all born in Trarbach.

     


     

    Summing up this unexpected outbreak of Lutheran clergy, I have now published CVs of 10 clergymen who were proven or probable ancestors of our teacher Christian Gottlieb Weiß and one whose connection is a bit more speculative but plausible. Note that they are all tagged "Eckweiler" because this whole journey of discovery started from the vicar of that village (now extinct) and the Weiss chronicles written there by his great-grandson in 1891.

    I'll list the 11 clergymen here alphabetically, but will round them up more systematically in a separate blog post.

    Johannes Andreae (1532-1613), vicar of Altenkirchen and Kastellaun, fierce anti-Calvinist. (He's the one with a more speculative connection to Nicolaus Andreae, below.)

    Nicolaus Andreae (died before 1643), vicar of Gebroth since 1632, likely ancestor of all Andrae people in Gebroth. He came to Kastellaun as a young schoolmaster in the same year as Johannes Andreae, above, became the vicar, but were they related?

    Johann Conrad Arnoldi I, vicar of Traben from 1670 until his death in 1711. Not to be confused with his eponymous, more famous nephew.

    Johannes Keyser / Caesar (died 1543), theologian at the time of the Reformation, served first as a Catholic then as a Lutheran priest in Harburg and Nördlingen.

    Sixtus Caesar, clergyman in Thuringia, father of Konstantin Caesar.

    Valentin Konstantin Caesar, vicar of Sien, Enkirch and Dill.

    Johann Conon, Diakon at Trarbach, court preacher and church inspector at Birkenfeld.

    Philipp Nicolaus Ebner, teacher at the Lateinschule in Trarbach and vicar of Alterkülz.

    Georg Christian Nesselius, Diakon at Birkenfeld 1603-1616, later vicar of Winterburg.

    Johann Balthasar Orth, second Lutheran vicar of Kirn, successor to Peter Siegel.

    Johannes Weiß (1704-1772) - the vicar of Eckweiler (see generation 9 in the Weiss chronicles).

    Another two Andreae vicars, Johannes Andreae's father and his son Emmerich Andreae, might be ancestors but we know nothing more about them, so no material for a biography. Johannes's father (also called Johannes) is interesting because he was active at the time of the Reformation and likely implemented the Lutheran creed in his parish of Schönbach, which became protestant in 1536. More speculatively still, Johannes junior had a son who was also a priest. If he turns out to be the missing link from Johannes junior to Nicolaus, we end up with a total of four Andreae vicars in a line.

    Elsewhere in the family tree, we have (back on firmer ground with some evidence):

    Peter Siegel (1485-1560), first Lutheran vicar of Kirn (Wikipedia.de).

    Adam Getrost, vicar of Rimbach in the Odenwald and ancestor of a long line of teachers in the neighbouring village of Zotzenheim.

    which brings the total to 15. If we find a reasonable excuse to adopt Johann Peter Metzler, above, he will be the 16th.

    Note that three of them (Peter Siegel, Johannes Andreae and Johannes Keyser / Caesar) were the first protestant priests in their respective parishes.

    Protestants priests who were brothers of direct ancestors include:

    Caesar - lots of them, as five of the six brothers of Sixtus Caesar became clergymen. The odd one out was a school teacher. And all three sisters married clergymen too.

    Jacob Orth, son of Johann Balthasar Orth, above, and also a vicar of Kirn.

    Hans Konrad Roos, the vicar of Gebroth from 1693 until his death in 1711, was the brother of Maria Ottilia von der Rosen. Technically half-brother, but their mothers were sisters, so they still share the same set of grandparents. The maternal grandfather was the vicar Georg Christian Nesselius.

    cousins:

    Martin Caesar, vicar of Traben. Cousin of Konstantin Caesar.

    Further clergymen in the Hunsrück area are listed in this wiki.

     


     

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    Thursday, March 26, 2026

    understanding the Andreae connection

    The brilliant thing about clergymen showing up in the family history is that there are actual short biographies of these people online, eg in the very amazing Monatshefte für Rheinische Kirchengeschichte (cited below as Monatshefte). And the authors of these texts like to report family connections to other clergymen as well. So in my quest to find the ancestry of my vicar of Gebroth, Johann Nicolaus Andreae, I went through a lot of these issues, checked all mentions of the name Andreae, made a shortlist of candidates, and I think I found a plausible connection to an earlier Andreae clergyman. It will become clear from their biographies, so I'll write out Nicolaus's CV first and then that of his prospective grandfather (or possibly father if he had a much younger wife).

     


    Nicolaus Andreae (1580s to 1640s)

    He was born in Enkirch on the river Mosel (just downstream from the town of Trarbach, which will become relevant). He studied in Strasbourg and got married while he was there.

    In 1607 he came to Kastellaun (Hunsrück) as a schoolmaster and Stipendiat (F. Back, Monatshefte 1911, 301-304). I guess that may have been like a practical year after his studies, before becoming ordained as a priest? The article notes that he couldn't move in with the Kaplan of the parish (the assistant to the vicar I believe) because both men were married, adding that Nicolaus Andreae got married while he was still a student in Strasbourg, but failing to mention the name of his wife. Also, no mention of children.

    Note that the older Andreae, below, took up office as the 74-year-old belligerent vicar of Kastellaun at that very moment, but the biographies of both don't reveal whether this is coincidence or family connection. An official assessment visit praised the young teacher's work but noted that he wasn't very musical and that his singing was awful, which is interesting because we have a teacher among his presumed descendants who had the same problem and became a pioneering special needs teacher because of it. Remuneration of the schoolmaster was an issue, at one point there was trouble because there were no funds for him to buy wood to heat his home.

    Matthäus Merian, view of Kastellaun 1645. Source: Wikipedia/ Achim Berg - eigene Aufnahme von Thementafel im Hunsrück-Museum Simmern, CC BY-SA 3.0.

    In 1609 he took up the position of vicar in Gödenroth (Monatshefte 1912, 65-78), where he became notorious in 1613 for beating up his wife (whose name isn't mentioned). A report is made to authorities with graphic detail, but in the end he is allowed to stay in position based on the promise that it won't happen again. Part of the reasoning was a political complication which I didn't quite understand and which would kick in if the post were to become vacant.

    By 1632, he had caused no further trouble, but his health had made it difficult for him to serve the outpost of the parish at Sevenich (Monatshefte 1912, 79-82), which would require regular foot journeys in all weather (a kind of problem older clergymen in those days often faced). For this reason he asked to be moved to a less tiring job.

    In 1632, therefore, he became the vicar of Gebroth (Monatshefte 1913, 193-209 covers the parish before his arrival, 1560-1620), where he stayed until he died between 1635 and 1641. The surviving church records of Gebroth only begin in 1739, so all earlier info is glanced indirectly from other documents. Thus, on 20.2.1635 he christened the son of vicar Jacobi at Winterburg, which is the last evidence we have of him being alive. He left a widow called Anna Amalia, who continued to serve as a godmother at christenings eg in Winterburg on 19.8.1641, then in 1643 and 1651.

    One Gedbas entry identifies the widow as Anna Amalia Orth, who went on to marry the vicar Johann Valentin Corvinus in 1652, who had been married to two other Orth women before, namely her sister and her cousin. We obviously don't have evidence yet regarding whether she is Nicolas Andreae's only wife, i.e. we don't know whether Anna Amalia is the same person he married at Strasbourg and/or the same wife he beat up in 1613 and who had children from a previous marriage. I would say probably not, because there was the 30-years-war going on with marauding troops and the plague coming through, so life expectancy was short and the lucky survivors often went through several spouses. We also don't know for sure whether she was actually the mother of Franz Nickel Andreae whose descendancy we believe leads to Anna Catharina Andrae.

    Note, however, that any children born to Nikolaus and his wife in his early adult life would have been long grown up by the time he moved to Gebroth, so would have had no reason to join him there. And I am fairly confident that he was the one who brought the name to Gebroth and is thus the ancestor of future generations of Andrae people from there (see the names in their churchyard).


     

    Among the many other Andreae priests I listed last week I've now homed in on:

    Johannes Andreae (1532-1613).

    Johannes Andreae was born in 1532 in Schönbach (Dillkreis) or Dillenburg as the son of Johannes Andreae who later became the parson of that parish which turned protestant in 1536. I guess Johannes senior may have been the first protestant priest at that parish, but my email enquiry on that matter hasn't been answered.

    Johannes junior visited the grammar school at Dillenburg and the universities Wittenberg (matriculated 1551) and Marburg. At Wittenberg, he became close friends with Friedrich Wiedebrand, who wrote a poem for him on the occasion of his marriage to Agatha in 1559: Epithalamia in nuptias M. Joannis Andreae Schonbach et pudica virginis Agathae.

    A footnote to Sinemus's piece (Monatshefte 1928) informs us that he had a son called Emmerich Andreae, who was a student in 1583 and a vicar in Bechtheim (near Worms) around 1618. These dates are compatible with Emmerich being born in the 1560s from the marriage to Agatha in 1559.

    After that he worked for two years as an assistant teacher at the Dillenburg school, before returning to Wittenberg. He stayed there for three years including two years as an assistant (famulus) to Philip Melanchthon (1497-1560). After his ordination he briefly worked as a teacher for the count Adolf of Nassau, spent another two years at Wittenberg, (According to Rotscheidt, he travelled with the junior count Adolf 1554-56 visiting both Wittenberg and Strasbourg) and then became head teacher of the Dillenburg (Herborn according to the more recent source) grammar school. Later he served as a vicar in Haiger (1561-64) and in Diez at St. Peter 1564-73.

    In 1573 he was forced to abandon the latter position because the area switched to Calvinism. The Counts of Hessen moved him to the vicarage of Braubach on the river Rhein. When faced with the threat of salary cuts, he applied to become vicar of Rockenberg in 1587.

    In 1588 he became vicar and superintendent at Altenkirchen. He and his colleague are presumed to have written the church constitution for the rulers of the area, the counts of Sayn-Wittgenstein.

    In 1605, Count Wilhelm of Sayn-Wittgenstein abruptly switched to calvinism, and Johannes Andreae was forced to leave the area at the advanced age of 73. He turned to Inspector Nicolas Jacobi of Trarbach for help. He may have known him personally, and he definitely had connections to the area as his brother-in-law Michael Artopoeus was a vicar at Traben at the time (just across the river Mosel and now united with the other side in the town of Traben-Trarbach - I need to memorise once and for all that Traben is on the left bank and Trarbach on the right, just like they appear in the combined name).

    Jacobi wrote a glowing recommendation letter to the authorities, which resulted in Andreae getting the opportunity to give a trial sermon at Birkenfeld. After further examination he was finally installed as the new vicar of Kastellaun (Hunsrück) on 21.6.1607 at the age of 75. We don't have an arrival date for the young school teacher Andreae, above, so don't know who was there first and whether the incoming vicar perhaps installed a family member in the newly created teaching post.

    Having been chased out of his jobs and hometowns by Calvinists on two separate occasions, he was understandably hostile to this particular creed. In his new position he established a reputation as a "hyper-Lutheran" who kept sniffing out even the faintest traces of Calvinism. Church inspectors who liked him in general commented on his anti-Calvinist fervour on several occasions. People remarked that he was quite the opposite of the good-natured spirit of his famous mentor Melanchthon.

    In the summer of 1613 he died at the age of 80 and is likely buried in the church of Kastellaun.

    Sources: The Monatshefte include biographies of him in different places, once as a superintendent in Altenkirchen (M. Sinemus Monatshefte 1928), and later in his life as a refugee from there finding shelter in Kastellaun (F. Back, Monatshefte 1911, 301-304). Just before the Monatshefte died, the editor W. Rotscheidt published a short notice adding crucial details to the earlier articles (Monatshefte 1942, 185-186).


     

    Long story short: two Lutheran clergymen with the surname Andreae meet at Kastellaun in 1607, when the older becomes vicar and the younger the schoolmaster of the parish.

    Based on these biographies I can see two possible scenarios that could link Johannes to Nikolaus:

    1) Johannes as the grandfather

    Johannes * 1532 oo 1559 Agatha (I conclude from the title of the poem that it's her first marriage, so let's say * ca 1540)

    Emmerich * ca. 1560

    Nikolaus * 1580s

    2) Johannes as a father with a much younger wife

    Friedrich Back, writing about Johannes Andreae's tenure in Kastellaun, informs us that Michael Artopaeus (1574-1629; also on GedBas), then vicar of Traben, was his brother in law. As the wives of Artopaeus are named in various places in the Monatshefte and are not called Andreae, I conclude that Johannes Andreae was married to a sister of Michael Artopaeus. (Also, Artopaeus is 40 years younger than Andreae, that's easier to fit together this way.)

    Which means any descendants of this marriage would have maternal family in the Mosel valley around Traben and Enkirch, which makes it entirely plausible that our Nikolaus Andreae born in Enkirch in the 1580s could be a son of that marriage. Michael Artopoeus's parents (Franz, another vicar, and Gute Arnold married in 1574, so any daughter from that marriage would have been too young to be Nikolaus's mother, but a daughter from a previous marriage of either would still qualify to make Michael Artopoeus the brother-in-law of our Nikolaus.

    Johannes was also married to Margaretha NN at one point. It would be really useful to know more about his wives to sort this out! Either way, we could add three clergymen to the family tree.

    I think for the time being and until further evidence materialises, I favour version 1) as all connections are between people who we actually know existed.

    Regarding the descendants, note that, in addition to our Nikolaus, all other Andrae people I found in the Hunsrück and Mosel area could in principle descend from Johannes Andreae from Schönbach, including everybody listed under 3) and 4) in the previous entry, namely:

    Johann Andrae, the earliest ancestor of the Andrae population in the Mosel valley, whose only listed child Matthias Andrae was born in 1640, so he would be a bit younger than our Nikolaus. Confusingly, there is also a catholic Andrae clan in the Mosel valley, starting from a younger Johann born around 1645 who married Elisabeth Maria Scheuren and had seven children born in Ediger in the district of Cochem. As I believe the name Andreae / Andrae is a typical protestant invention, I suspect this Johann, if his confession is correct in GedBas, may have converted back.

    Johann Nikolaus Andrae * 1685 in Krummenau is a priest whose family connections are completely obscure. He was vicar of Dörrenbach 1708-1728 and married Anna Eva Simon, daughter of the vicar of Kirn, Johann Daniel Simon, in 1710 - that's all the info we get from O. Penningroth who was writing about the Simon lineage in Monatshefte 1933.

    Conrad Andreä was vicar of Winningen (Mosel) 1596-1599 according to an article about this parish (Monatshefte 1909, 225-286) According to Friedrich Back (Monatshefte 1933, 275) he died of the plague which hit the town in 1597, with 206 casualties. ,

    NB he could be the same person as the husband of Agnes Orth, (V 4 in the massive Orth clan) * …, + …, ∞ … Konrad Andreas, who died after 1586, and was a vicar at Koblenz, very close to Winningen.


    Who is who? - see my new name index for all things family history.

    PS A comprehensive listing of the Artopoeus family, which has produced 10 clergymen, is given by Oskar Penningroth in Monatshefte 1933, page 252, and also in English here. Depending on how the balance between scenarios 1) and 2) develops, I may or may not be coming back to them later.

    Thursday, March 19, 2026

    meandering Andreae clans

    Digging into the ancestry of Anna Katharina Andrae (1742-1816) from Gebroth, we've established that her presumed great-great-grandfather Nikolaus Andrae (or Andreae) was the one who brought this name to Gebroth (where it is present to this day) when he took up the position as a vicar of this remote village in the Hunsrück in 1632. We have found half a dozen other Lutheran priests in his extended family, specifically including both grandfathers of his wife, as well as several ancestors of his daughter in law.

    Although some of these in-law ancestries go back to the 15th century, we still don't know who his parents were. I have been following two leads, first geographically, as he was born in Enkirch on the river Mosel, I have been looking at the Andrae and similarly named families there, and then, as he seems to have been well-connected in the Lutheran clergy network, I wondered whether he also came from such a background. And I did find lots of Lutherans with that name. Note that it's not a very common name otherwise, so my suspicion is that it only originated as a family name whent protestant clergymen and teachers latinised their germanic names. I am looking at four separate groups of findings:

    1) the Stuttgart/Tübingen clan

    The name change is documented for the most prominent Andreae family, which goes back to a smith by the name of Endriss, whose son Jakobus latinised the name to Andreae and founded a whole dynasty of protestant intellectuals with very impressive biographies in Wikipedia:

    Jacobus Andreae (* 1528 Waiblingen)

    Johannes Andreae (* 1554 Tübingen)

    Johann Valentin Andreae (*1586 Herrenberg)

    Jacobus Andreae painted by Hans Ulrich Alt, Öl auf Holz, 1590, Sammlung Tübinger Professorengalerie

    Each of them had lots of children (20, 8, 9 respectively), some of the sons were also clergymen. My Nikolaus Andrae is about the same generation as Johann Valentin, so could be eg his cousin. I haven't found an obvious connection yet, but it could still happen. Then again, as these men were very famous Lutherans in their time, a young priest from a less eminent family could have adjusted his name to bask in their reflected glory. Latinised names were all the rage at the time, so we find Schmidt turning into Faber, Raabe into Corvinus and Kaufmann into Mercator.

    The well-documented members of this dynasty have largely remained rooted in the Wurttemberg region, but the Sponheim county where our Nikolaus was born isn't too far away, so a black sheep needing some a bit of distance from that high-flying family could easily have moved there.

    2) the Saxony clan

    A bit further afield, we have another dynasty of Lutheran priests in the vicinity of Halle on the river Saale (today's Saxony Anhalt). The nameline documented on Gedbas.de goes back to

    Georgius Andrae * around 1500 in Geneva

    then the parsons start with

    Thomas Andrae + 1575 Halle

    Elias Andrae * 1561 Halle

    Laurentius Andrae * 1594 Halle and Thomas Andrae * 1598 Halle

    There are no other carriers of the name listed in this submission, but the data don't look complete, so there could be other sons, and, again, our Nikolaus could be a cousin to the priests Laurentius and Thomas.

    Intriguingly, a Tobias Andreae from Halle studied theology in Heidelberg in 1587, then became a parson in Lorsch, and from 1594 in Dillheim, may have stayed in the Rhine area (Monatshefte für Rheinische Kirchengeschichte 22 (1928)).

    3) the Mosel valley clan

    A lineage in the Mosel valley goes back to

    Johann Andrae who is roughly the same generation as our Nikolaus as he had a child in 1640. Unfortunately no further info about him, apart from many generations of Andrae descendants who largely stayed in the Mosel valley. Can't find any priests among the descendants. Although the name Franz seems to be popular in this family, as it is among the descendants of Nikolaus Andrae in Gebroth.

    4) ... and another clan in the Hunsrück area?

    Johann Nikolaus Andrae * 1685 in Krummenau is a priest whose family connections are completely obscure - he may very well turn out to be a descendant of our Gebroth vicar but so far nothing links him to the place. He was vicar of Dörrenbach 1708-1728 and married Anna Eva Simon, daughter of the vicar of Kirn, Johann Daniel Simon, in 1710 (O. Penningroth in Monatshefte 1933).

    Conrad Andreä was vicar of Winningen (Mosel) 1596-1599 elsewhere: 1586-1597, died of the plague which hit the town in 1597, with 206 casualties. Actually, I like this guy, he's on the right river, at the right time, to be the father of our Nikolaus. Apparently, Winningen was a lutheran enclave in an otherwise catholic region, and widely praised as a model protestant community. Conrad reportedly fought to keep his protestant flock away from the temptations of hitching up with catholics. There are two short (half-page) reports about him (Monatshefte 1909, 225-286; 1933, 275). ,

    NB he could be the same person as the husband of Agnes Orth, (V 4 in the massive Orth clan) * …, + …, ∞ … Konrad Andreas, who died after 1586, and was a vicar at Koblenz, very close to Winningen. He could plausibly be a son of the following:

    Magister Johannes Andreae vicar of Altenkirchen (Westerwald) 1589–1605 evicted from the town as it becomes a reformed parish on 9.10.1605 and he refuses to adhere to that creed (* 26. Dezember 1532 in Schönbach Dillkreis; † summer 1613 in Kastellaun) There is a lovely biography of him in the Monatshefte für rheinische Kirchengeschichte vol 22 (1928) which I'll translate in a separate entry. From a footnote to that bio, we learn that he had a son:

    Emmerich Andreä called Schönbach (after his father's birthplace, which his father had also used after his name sometimes), who was a student in 1583 and a vicar at Bechtheim near Worms in 1618. So he would have been born in the 1560s.

    I had this forth section under the headline "strays" initially, but I'm beginning to get a dynasty together here. Johannes's nameless father was also a priest and I am trying to find out if he was the first vicar of Schönbach (which still a Lutheran parish today, so there is a successor).

    Note that our Nikolaus Andreae, the stray Nikolaus, the whole clan of the Mosel valley Andrae people under 3) and Konrad could all descend from Johannes A. from Altenkirchen. I'll explore this possibility in the next entry.


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    Thursday, March 12, 2026

    from the vicar of Gebroth to the mayor of Marburg

    In the Weiß Chronicles, Johann Gottlieb Weiß (1736-1800) the mayor of Pferdsfeld (see generation 8) marries Anna Katharina Andrae (1742-1816) from Gebroth. She is the paternal grandmother of the author of the chronicles but he did not supply any additional information about her. He was born around 1821, after she died. By 2000, we still didn't know anything about her. By 2013, we had found the names of her parents. Based on that information, my father hired a professional genealogist who came back with a report of six pages (including two pages from an earlier effort published by Ulrike Kühne in 1994 (Mitteilungen der WGgF Bezirksgruppe Mittelrhein). From that I extracted the names and dates that go into our official family tree but somehow I never got round to looking at it in depth and searching some of the new names that came up.

    The main result of the professional report was establishing that, in spite of some gaps in the church books of Gebroth, the name line Andrae can be traced back to Nikolaus Andrae or Andreae, who was the vicar of Gebroth from 1632 presumably until his death, but records aren't all that complete in the middle of the 30-Years War. Although not all parent-child links are clearly documented, the genealogist made a convincing case based on mutual exchanges of godparents between families. Also, it appears that the name Andrae, which survives in Gebroth to this day (I checked 28.2.2026; see also their cemetery), was introduced to the village with the arrival of that vicar, so the lineage of our Anna Katharina must be going back to him even if one of the links may be a bit wobbly.

    The genealogist also discovered a skeleton in the vicar's closet - there is a file about Nikolaus with allegations of domestic violence from 1613, during his earlier tenure as the vicar of Gödenroth. Apparently the church was so short of candidates with the right academic qualification willing to take up poorly paid posts in remote Hunsrück villages that they couldn't dismiss him but gave him a second chance when he promised it wouldn't happen again. He stayed until 1632, when he was moved to Gebroth. His redemption appears to have worked out well as his nameline descendants remained in Gebroth and networked with everybody who was anybody and found some rather interesting spouses, including the granddaughter of the Strasbourg goldsmith about whom I raved last week. Incidentally, her brother Johann Conrad von der Rosen also became vicar of Gebroth (more about the clan of the Roses).

    Some 13 years after the report came in I now looked at the earliest ancestors listed there again, because I had been looking into the social network of the vicars of Eckweiler and wondered whether there were any more to be found in the vicinity of the vicar of Gebroth. I found quite a few new ancestors, including four additional protestant priests (total now stands at 9, or 10 if I include the one listed as "probably" the father of another, below), as well as connections to the ancestries of Goethe through common ancestors in Marburg and, separately, Albert Schweitzer. Of course these links are too remote to be of any biological significance, but they are enormously helpful as these VIP family trees tend to be well researched and documented. Oh and I'm still discovering more things that will go into another blog entry. I do wonder why our old chronicler didn't show any interest in the family of his grandmother.

    Merian engraving of Marburg in 1605, a time when lots of Orth people were active there. Unfortunately I couldn't find any interesting illustrations of Gebroth. The church has burned down and been rebuilt since Nikolaus Andrae was the vicar there and there aren't any historic postcards of the place online (although I have a tiny image of one in a web page that I printed out 20 years ago). Source.

    So here we go, starting from Anna Katharina, generations 0-4 all born in Gebroth unless otherwise specified. The five protestant priests in her direct ancestry are set in bold:

    1. Anna Katharina Andrae 1742-1816

    2. Franz Nikel Andrae 1705-1765, juror in Gebroth
    oo

    3. Maria Magdalena Metzler 1711-1779

    4. Johann Nikolaus Andrae from Gebroth appears as a godfather at christenings in nearby Winterburg in 1689 and 1700.
    Intriguingly, the list of protestant parsons in the area has one by the same name born in Krummenau in 1685, but without a clear connection to Gebroth.

    8. Frantz Nickel Andrae died before 1685. The genealogist argued that the combination of Franz and Nikolaus is rare outside this family, so this guy would likely be the grandfather of the eponymous ancestor number 2.
    oo 21.2.1654 Winterburg

    9. Maria Ottilia von der Rosen

    16. Nikolaus Andrae, born in Enkirch on the river Mosel, an area where the name Andrae is more common; vicar of Gödenroth 1609-1623 and of Gebroth from 1632 until his death before 1643
    oo

    17. Amalia NN in the genealogist's report, but nowadays, various online sources identify her as Amalia Orth, from an ancient family from Hessen (Marburg / Butzbach) traced back to before 1400, which also appears in Goethe's family tree. After Nikolaus Andrae died, Amalia became the third wife of the clergyman Johann Valentin Corvinus who had also been married to two other Orth women before. The Goethe pages (see VI 59) note that one was her sister, the other her cousin.

    18. Johann Conrad von der Rosen born 1599 Strassburg, died Winterburg 13.9.1656
    oo 1628 Winterburg

    19. Elisabeth Nesselius born 1606 Winningen


    NB From here on we leave Gebroth behind and the known lineages mainly involve relatively famous ancestries easily found online, so I'm only listing them as far as necessary to demonstrate the connections to the four additional clergymen I just discovered:

    32. In the quest for further Andreae ancestry I have screened various candidates and decided to adopt the lineage of Johannes Andreae of Schönbach in the end. He could be the father or the grandfather of 16. Nikolaus. Even if he's no blood relation, we know that they met because they worked in the same small town, Kastellaun, for a couple of years, one as the old vicar, the other as a young schoolmaster.

    34. Heinrich Orth, , * Kirn ca. 1561, + … 1612/15, Braunsberg, Amtmann des Grafen Wilhelm v. Braunsberg, in Merxheim.
    oo

    35. Katharina Caesar (Kaiser?) ,

    36 Franz Bolion von der Rosen, the goldsmith of Strasbourg
    oo 21. November 1581 Strassburg,

    37 Ottilie Flach born in Schlettstadt, Alsace, from the Flach family that also features in Albert Schweitzer's ancestry.

    38 Georg Christian Nesselius vicar of Winterburg, Kaplan at Winningen, Diacon at Birkenfeld. Studied at Strasbourg.
    oo 15. August 1602 Birkenfeld

    39. Ursula Conon

    68.Johann Balthasar Orth, *ca. 1526 Bingen, + Kirn/Nahe 5.1.1569, Kaplan 1555, From 1560 until his death in 1569 he was the second protestant vicar of Kirn. As it happens, his predecessor, Peter Siegel, is in my family tree too, though through the Imig rather than the Kauer route. See further Orth ancestry here. Johann Balthasar is IV.43, and apparently there are three different lineages that are proposed for his ancestry, but all lead back to Antonius Orth, below.

    70 Konstantin Caesar / Keiser Vicar in Sien (1585), Enkirch (1593-98), Dill (1598-1600)
    oo

    71 Sara NN

    72 Humbert von der Rosen, from Liege

    74 Gabriel Flach * 1525 Schlettstadt May be related to the Strasbourg printer Martin Flach who died in 1500?

    78 Johann Conon (ca. 1542-1602) vicar of Trarbach, Dill, Birkenfeld; born Reichenbach, Vogtland, studied at Rostock and Strasbourg. Note that a couple of generations earlier there was a monk with that name who was praised by Erasmus.

    140 Sixtus Caesar O. Penningroth writes that 70. Konstantin Caesar was "probably" the son of Sixtus Caesar, who was a vicar at Demmingen and Salzungen (Monatshefte 1933). I can now confirm his hunch based on feedback from the Caesar family. The blog entry dedicated to the lives of the Caesars is now online.

    For the common ancestor with Goethe, I have to go 3 generations up from the vicar of Kirn to generation I in this Orth genealogy, arriving at:

    544. Antonius Orth, (Donges) * Butzbach or Wetzlar + 1486/93 Marburg , Bürgermeister of Marburg 1463/64, where he was a merchant, and where his seven children were born.
    oo ca. 1454

    545. Grete from Mardorf

    This couple sits at the top of three different lineages leading to Goethe (and probably everybody else with ancestors in Hessen).


    Note that Anna Katharina, with five vicars in her family tree (six if we count Sixtus Caesar, and there may be more, I'm still digging!), went on to marry the son of a vicar, who had several more in his extended family. Oh and the Johannes Andrae from Gebroth who went to study theology at Gießen 1767 may well have been her brother.

    Makes me wonder to what extent she was aware of her family history, and why none of this information percolated down to her grandson.

    I'm chuffed to have found this connection to Marburg actually, going back to the time before the university was founded in 1527. Antonius Orth lived there exactly 500 years before I went there to study.


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